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Post by williegford on Jan 11, 2011 16:30:36 GMT -5
The reason lock bar sights are the most common thing you hear about concerning M1's is that it is the most glaring part on an M1 that says WW2 rifle. There are two other parts I can think of that could be considered to stand out. Those are the "high hump" gas cylinder lock, which is definitely wrong for a WW2 rifle and to a lesser extent the stamped trigger guard (depending on the time period in the war you are portraying). I suppose some would also mention the post-war web sling. What 4 or 5 parts were you thinking of?
Bill
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Post by m1guy on Jan 11, 2011 16:35:34 GMT -5
Genrally about how much do lock bars cost. I don'tthink my dad will have a problem with me changing them if I don't spend alot on them.
will
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Post by GyreneGreen on Jan 11, 2011 17:48:39 GMT -5
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Post by redjoshman on Jan 11, 2011 17:55:54 GMT -5
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Post by m1guy on Jan 11, 2011 17:57:54 GMT -5
mine are not exact but close to the flush nut style.
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Post by UPNATM on Jan 11, 2011 18:03:59 GMT -5
I have found the best way to find an original set of lock bars is to post a wtb thread over on the cmp forum. That is how I got mine. I was able to pick up and original set of type II's for $90 shipped. Now, thats a lot of bread, but repops are around $55 bucks, so I didn't mind paying a little more for originals. Here is a pic of mine once installed on my M1. It only took me around 5 minutes to do. i157.photobucket.com/albums/t73/dalbey58/original%20pics/My%20wwii/lockbars-1.jpgmine are not exact but close to the flush nut style. The T105e1's look a little like the flush nut style. M1guy, here is a good pic of the differences between the sights.... i45.tinypic.com/5macuh.jpg
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Post by m1guy on Jan 11, 2011 18:07:21 GMT -5
ok so mine are the t105.. If I may ask when did those come out? Korea I'm assuming.
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Post by GyreneGreen on Jan 11, 2011 18:23:06 GMT -5
T105s resemble flush nuts like French ranger boots resemble double buckles. They are similar but once you know the difference it is obvious.
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Post by m1guy on Jan 11, 2011 18:26:47 GMT -5
I looked at them and they are actually quite different.. Could anyone tell me when they came out though?
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Post by MARNEPUPPY on Jan 11, 2011 18:26:56 GMT -5
the big difference is on the left side of the sight (elevation). The T105 has a big screw head while all the others has a small one. www.northcapepubs.com/img8.gifB in the illustration is the T105 elevation (left) knob. A in the illustration is everything WW2 elevation (left) knob. T105's are Post WW2. They were not used on factory production from SA or Winchester during the war. Nor were they made and retrofitted as replacement parts. Strictly post ww2.
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Post by UPNATM on Jan 11, 2011 18:34:14 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, lock bars are an important part of an impression, but not the top priority. Basically I would make a list. What is the number one thing that will make your impression that much better? If you think its double buckles then get them first. But, I wouldn't spend your money on lock bars til you have your impression dialed in. Just my .02 Btw, for 15 you are doing great, keep up the good work.
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Post by 82ndrecon on Jan 11, 2011 19:25:11 GMT -5
At 15 your impression is years above some reenactors. Prioritize what you need for your primary impression. It takes years to collect the items you want or need to "tweek" your impression. Your doing the right thing, ask, research, and research again. And as Aaron put it "your doing great, keep up the good work."
Mike
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Post by m1guy on Jan 11, 2011 19:28:37 GMT -5
I have found out to keep me from buying the in correct item I spent the 40 bucks on the GI collectors book. It has from amphibious to mountain.. great research book gear and uniform wise..
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Post by TC1c Dunigan on Jan 11, 2011 20:22:23 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, lock bars are an important part of an impression, but not the top priority. Basically I would make a list. What is the number one thing that will make your impression that much better? If you think its double buckles then get them first. But, I wouldn't spend your money on lock bars til you have your impression dialed in. Just my .02 Btw, for 15 you are doing great, keep up the good work. AMEN! Someone who is thinking the way I am! Agreed Aaron, they make the impression better but, at this time there a far more important priorities to take care of. Take care of the large and glaring and refine the small. Regards, FRISCAN
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Post by dogsoldier on Jan 11, 2011 20:25:38 GMT -5
I have found out to keep me from buying the in correct item I spent the 40 bucks on the GI collectors book. It has from amphibious to mountain.. great research book gear and uniform wise.. Thats the smartest thing anyone in this thread has said so far. The BEST way to improve your impression, from lock bars to double buckles is to spend money on research material FIRST. I have saved literally $1,000's by spending $19.99 on a good reference book. It also depends on the type and serial number of the garand you have. The different types of garands had different types of sights. For instance, a Springfield with a type II or type III lockbar. I don't have a source with an exact date, but from what I can find in Scott Duff's books, it looks like the change took place between (Springfield) serial number 2720806 (Type-II) and s/n 3000000 (Type-III). This would translate into the period from March to July of 1944. There was very likely inventory "overlap" during this period, when rifles were being made with either type. I also agree with gyrenegreen when it comes to the impression. Wrong is wrong, no matter what the item, or how insignificant it may seem to be. I also agree with Jim in the fact that the T-105's are not the make or break deal for him yet. They will be one day, but that day is not today. You are off to a great start and you have a good head on your shoulders (at least it seems that way from the posts). You know what you dont know and are eager to learn and more importantly, listen... I think you are doing just fine and I agree about moving the canteen farther back. It will save a nice deep purple bruise when you fall on your hip...
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Post by dixieflyer on Jan 11, 2011 20:39:12 GMT -5
M1guy, I can tell you right now, quality books are an investment you won't regret. I still have some of the books I initially bought when I started out in WWII back in '84 or so. Some I have sold, and I regret it now, because I cannot afford to replace them. Even expensive books will save you many times their cost if they keep you from making an unwise purchase, and they will.
There is a young man on the boards here much older and more experienced and educated than you, and he balks at spending money on books specifically dealing with his impression, yet expects others on here to either do his research for him, or hand him down all of the information he desires from on high. He somehow thinks he "deserves" it. You have shown that you are reflective and mature beyond your physical age. I know, being the father of a WWII reenactor approximately your age how frustrating putting together a good impression can be. I applaud you, and hope I can run into in the field sometime.
Warren
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Post by Boogiewoogie on Jan 11, 2011 23:12:19 GMT -5
Front sight doesn't match, heh heh, guess they never read any Ernie Pyle.
Martin
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Post by dogsoldier on Jan 12, 2011 0:47:16 GMT -5
Actually, Ernie talks pretty extensively about the ordinance companies and how they took Garands apart and put them back together in Brave Men. Chapter 11 I think...He talks how the ordinance guys would take 100 battle torn garands, strip them of parts, clean all the useable parts and put them in oiled bins then reconstruct a garand from those parts, turning 100 unuseable into 50 or 75 useable. So parts were mixed and matched and a hodgepodge of receivers and trigger guards and barrels and stocks...thing is, they were all WWII parts and not one T-105E among them...
My biggest thing is if you spend the money on literature, you will save hundreds, if not thousands in the long run.
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Post by Transport on Jan 12, 2011 7:40:57 GMT -5
Ahoy!
I am glad to see this thread got back on track with this lads question on his impression rather than a discussion on lock bar sights for the M-1.
As you are a young lad and as you mentioned have at this time limited financial resources, I would as others have mentioned use this time to research the common GI of WW2. Read first hand accounts of soldiers to get a good prospective of how the GI's lived, in this period. Don't over look the hundreds of thousands of photos taken during the war. This will give you an idea of what equipment was carried and how.
For your impression, I can only say as others have mentioned- move the canteen to your backside more, when you can get a proper cartridge belt, a M1928 Haversack, and unless you are doing a AB, leg NCO or Officer impression, leave the pistol at home.
If you can get to some larger events in your area and note how others wear their gear. Ask questions of other Living Historians to see what they use and why.
Good luck and take care,
Transport out
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Post by Boogiewoogie on Jan 12, 2011 8:42:42 GMT -5
Actually, Ernie talks pretty extensively about the ordinance companies and how they took Garands apart and put them back together in Brave Men. What did you think I was talking about? You can have both types, depending on how you got to your unit. Units that were shipped from the states would more than likely have complete weaponsby the manufacturer. There would be a sprinkling of repaired and/or replaced weapons. Replacements could have either/or, but nobody does draftees or replacements for an impression. Martin
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