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Post by usmc1944 on Jan 11, 2011 0:51:56 GMT -5
10.) History of the rifle? The Russian shellac on my K98 was part of it's history too, and it was farby- so I removed it. By 1944 you wouldn't be seeing either that super early "flush nut" type sight, or the T-10-whatever sights that were added postwar. They repro the lockbars and after being reparked they look fine. I'd of left the shellac. The rifle was a Russian capture. If someone is that anal over shellac on a original piece of WWII military history, Especially a Russian weapon you know will get shellaced(they shellac everything practically)then grow up! M1guy, lock-bars are not a must. Besides they are a pain in the butt to utilize unscrew this-adjust that-screw this back and then fire... ugh, ridiculous. Not to mention if your going to use repro's then your not going to be authentic anyways because they aren't originals anyhow. If your going to go hardcore then you have to do everything perfectly to the t, therefore with reproductions not being 100% that ain't gonna happen. So, shellac, no shellac, lock-bar or not, nothing is going to be 100% correct WWII. So, grow up and realize this is a hobby, it is a love, it is an learning experience not a place to be ridiculously anal. Now I am anal don't get me wrong but, I leave it at my rifle because I use it for more then just reenacting. When a particular item has such a unique history like the combat rifle you don't mess with it because it will devalue it. Just my $0.02 FRISCAN T105 sights are not flush nuts, they might look convincing to someone who has never seen flush nut or lockbar sights at 10 feet, but is that really the standard you are going to use? PS - Gyrene, so does this mean your going to bring a magnifying glass to make sure he's got flush nut rear sights now?  Even if you couldn't be 100% authentic and had to use reproduction items, wouldnt you rather use the reproduction items and get as close as possible to 100% rather than say "meh good enough"  You said it yourself "So, grow up and realize this is a hobby, it is a love, it is an learning experience not a place to be ridiculously anal." Isnt the whole purpose of these forums to LEARN to represent the WWII soldier correctly and accurately? Where as these seem like minor details to you, others might want to get as close as they can. You have a good kit Jim, I have seen your kit in several different forms, and I know you strive to be as accurate as possible in your kits even in the minor details. So why on earth would you tell anyone else not to worry about the details of their kit. Especially someone who hasnt been in the hobby as long as you and I and is here to learn so they can do it correctly? |
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Post by TC1c Dunigan on Jan 11, 2011 0:57:23 GMT -5
"Preserving the history of the rifle" is a real nice euphemism for, "I am lazy/cheap/ or just don't care about getting it right". It is the equivalent of "if they had it they would have used it" for other items. Let's not forget that sometimes what we do is called "preserving the memory of those who served in WWII" and in my opinion I would prefer to prioritize that rather than making sure my post-war rebuilt Garand looks 1948 correct. M1guy, If you want to know where to buy lockbar sights, and how to install them send me a PM. Gyrene, For you to make that comment you should apologize to EVERY member of this forum. "We're lazy/cheap/"? I'm sorry but, for ANYONE to do what we do, we fork out a LOT of time and money to enjoy time away from the drudge of reality and everyday work loads. To enjoy to teach and preserve in no matter what form it may be, a ceremony, a tactical or living history the memories of the "Greatest Generation." I've been to countless events and I DEAL with veterans organizations and they don't care about freaking LOCK -BARS! What those men care about is that you remember them, honor them and see to it that future generations don't for get what they did and that they feel safe knowing that what they did will be in good hands with those who are choosing to remember their sacrifice long after their gone. It is the "YOU MUST HAVE LOCK-BARS" type of individuals that turn people away from doing the various genre's of historical time periods. Whats not good enough for one, isn't good enough for another and so on-and-so on... We will never be 100% authentic(and yep, that even includes you and me) because we don't have the weight of an entire nation on our shoulders and we don't have the bullets whizzing past our heads, and the nagging of death tugging at our elbows day-to-day. We're not stuck anywhere, when its over we get to go home, many of them didn't. M1guy, Lock-bar's aren't a must, put your impression together, do your research, refine it to where you are happy with it. Don't let anyone tell you, you must have this or that. If you want a second opinion fine, we'd be glad to do so but, remember you have the final say, its your choice, your impression, do it well. Remember most importantly... as long as you carry yourself as a soldier should, respect the men you aim to portray, honor and remember their sacrifice for you and every American... you can never go wrong. Respectfully, FRISCAN |
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Post by TC1c Dunigan on Jan 11, 2011 1:10:53 GMT -5
Even if you couldn't be 100% authentic and had to use reproduction items, wouldnt you rather use the reproduction items and get as close as possible to 100% rather than say "meh good enough" You said it yourself "So, grow up and realize this is a hobby, it is a love, it is an learning experience not a place to be ridiculously anal." Isnt the whole purpose of these forums to LEARN to represent the WWII soldier correctly and accurately? Where as these seem like minor details to you, others might want to get as close as they can. You have a good kit Jim, I have seen your kit in several different forms, and I know you strive to be as accurate as possible in your kits even in the minor details. So why on earth would you tell anyone else not to worry about the details of their kit. Especially someone who hasnt been in the hobby as long as you and I and is here to learn so they can do it correctly? Your quite right Mike. I go to the inth degree with my kit. You've seen it. What I'm trying to convey is not to be as unauthentic as you can be but, to realize that there are times and things that should be left for, may it be value, provinence, or just simply functionality. There are more pressing attributes within an impression that are more important and glaring then lock-bars. If you wanna change em' fine, if you don't fine. However, if your lacking something for your impression, wearing something incorrect, or just not proper for the time period wouldn't you rather correct the more glaring first? Lock-bars are an after thought they should be done perhaps during the fine tuning. Conquer the large and refine the small. We each make a decision as per our weapons since many use them for shooting, some for hunting some for all of the above but, to force it upon a new recruit is never a good way to promote the genre. We should guide not be overbearing. Just my $0.02 regards, FRISCAN |
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Post by usmc1944 on Jan 11, 2011 2:02:18 GMT -5
Even if you couldn't be 100% authentic and had to use reproduction items, wouldnt you rather use the reproduction items and get as close as possible to 100% rather than say "meh good enough" You said it yourself "So, grow up and realize this is a hobby, it is a love, it is an learning experience not a place to be ridiculously anal." Isnt the whole purpose of these forums to LEARN to represent the WWII soldier correctly and accurately? Where as these seem like minor details to you, others might want to get as close as they can. You have a good kit Jim, I have seen your kit in several different forms, and I know you strive to be as accurate as possible in your kits even in the minor details. So why on earth would you tell anyone else not to worry about the details of their kit. Especially someone who hasnt been in the hobby as long as you and I and is here to learn so they can do it correctly? Your quite right Mike. I go to the inth degree with my kit. You've seen it. What I'm trying to convey is not to be as unauthentic as you can be but, to realize that there are times and things that should be left for, may it be value, provinence, or just simply functionality. There are more pressing attributes within an impression that are more important and glaring then lock-bars. If you wanna change em' fine, if you don't fine. However, if your lacking something for your impression, wearing something incorrect, or just not proper for the time period wouldn't you rather correct the more glaring first? Lock-bars are an after thought they should be done perhaps during the fine tuning. Conquer the large and refine the small. We each make a decision as per our weapons since many use them for shooting, some for hunting some for all of the above but, to force it upon a new recruit is never a good way to promote the genre. We should guide not be overbearing. Just my $0.02 regards, FRISCAN Why dont you just let it be is what I'm getting at, when people make the suggestion to complete someones kit even if it is just a lock-bar, even though you think its not an absolute must maybe you shouldnt try to fight what the people are trying to tell the guy. They told him what he would need to be complete, they were right, and yet you fought them. You were doing more harm than good honestly, now if it was a completely wrong thing for someone to suggest (Example: You should totally add a ERDL helmet cover for your normandy impression) then I could see where you would raise hairs. But no one is doing that, they merely made suggestions and told this guy what he would need to have an accurate impression and a complete impression and you seem to be fighting them all the way. So rather than thinking you need to put your insight and opinion against someone who is merely stating facts on what needs to be done to complete this impression. Maybe you should just be quiet and let the guy get the helpful information that is being said to him, and then let him make his own decision. |
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Post by m1guy on Jan 11, 2011 2:11:18 GMT -5
... ok guys I appreciate every thing.. Ive been doing ww2 for going on three years. Ive joined a unit granted we are small... i have enjoyed doing it very much.. before ww2 and still am. I was cw hardcore reenactor. I strive to be the best I can be. don't always achieve but I try.. So I have no problem people suggesting things.
And to the rifle for one it's my dads. I can reenact and what ever with it but it's still other than the stock and maintence I can't it. an I am embarrassed to say I don't even know what lockbars are.. And please don't think i'm a kid getting ticked off cause someones correcting me or showing me something.. but do remeber as for all youth reenactors I'm a 15 year old kid no income and dads been laidoff for two years my parents have never bought any of my ww2 stuff so I have bought everything. and can do airborne ,infantry for dday battle of the bulge i have two dress uniforms.. and I was finally able to buy a pair of jump boots this year cause u can put leggings on them and they look like service shoes . My point isaacs all over the forum people nagging about shoes , just keep in mind we are kids we don't have jobs.us so we do the best we can... and don't get offended please I have great respect for you guys espcially Friscan it doesnt matter to me if u scold me . I think of it as a laerning expeirence ..
Thanks agian
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Post by TC1c Dunigan on Jan 11, 2011 2:15:56 GMT -5
Why dont you just let it be is what I'm getting at, when people make the suggestion to complete someones kit even if it is just a lock-bar, even though you think its not an absolute must maybe you shouldnt try to fight what the people are trying to tell the guy. They told him what he would need to be complete, they were right, and yet you fought them. You were doing more harm than good honestly, now if it was a completely wrong thing for someone to suggest (Example: You should totally add a ERDL helmet cover for your normandy impression) then I could see where you would raise hairs. But no one is doing that, they merely made suggestions and told this guy what he would need to have an accurate impression and a complete impression and you seem to be fighting them all the way. So rather than thinking you need to put your insight and opinion against someone who is merely stating facts on what needs to be done to complete this impression. Maybe you should just be quiet and let the guy get the helpful information that is being said to him, and then let him make his own decision. I'm not fighting them in the sense of its wrong or right, I'm just against the way it was being conveyed which was in a forceful manner. Everyone else before me made the suggestion and left it at that. Then it was introduced forcefully as in "You MUST have lock-bars, OMG your a farb if you don't have lock-bars!" which lets be honest they can be corrected if one wants to in time, its not a right away thing. Thats all I'm trying to say. We can make suggestions but, lets not force them on him( it can leave bad taste in his mouth about the hobby)because all-in-all it will be his decision. Regards, FRISCAN |
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Post by Boogiewoogie on Jan 11, 2011 4:37:22 GMT -5
Okay, as a moderator, this isn't the rant section. Stop calling people names in this thread.
Have your opinion, but calling names isn't gonna be tolerated, at all.
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Post by Boogiewoogie on Jan 11, 2011 4:47:43 GMT -5
This is my post as a member of this board. If an item is farb, it is farb. That is just the way it is. I have things that I have or have replaced that are wrong. I am not gonna make excuses for them.
I use a Belgian liner in my everyday British helmet. I have spray painted it black, so that it looks more the part. I didn't buy a repro because they are no better. I own a couple of real liners, but I don't want to ruin them.
This hobby is about alot of things, to alot of people. If you want to honor someone, then be my guest. That isn't my bag. I am out to recreate as much realism as I can. That would be from food to the small details of my impression. It is just as important to me as your reasons are to you.
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Post by cjdaley on Jan 11, 2011 5:47:42 GMT -5
I'm a 15 year old kid no income and dads been laidoff for two years my parents have never bought any of my ww2 stuff so I have bought everything. And you know what, you got an amazing impression for your age. I'd like to see pics of some of our other members at 15 to see how authentic they are. Great start Will as I know some adults who just can't get close to your level of authenticity!! I strive to be the best I can be. don't always achieve but I try.. So I have no problem people suggesting things. Great attitude and it takes alot of self confidence as a gentleman to post your pictures up here and allow the members to offer suggestions for improvement. We all strive to be the best, and I dare say we don't always achieve it. Good luck Will and I hope you can instill a love for history among your peers. |
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Post by Boogiewoogie on Jan 11, 2011 10:39:14 GMT -5
There weren't alot of WW2 reenactors, when I was 15. I met my first WW2 reenactors, the day after I turned 16. They had just returned from Weldon Springs at an event in the fall of 79. I was doing CW in a parade, and they were behind us. I wanted to join them, but they were 300 miles away. I had to wait until 1984 to find another WW2 group. So I can't help ya there. This is me doing CW that day. Co.I 1st Colorado, yes they had 41's, but I don't believe they had the bayonets now. img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/boogiewoogie/cw1979.jpgMartin |
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Post by dixieflyer on Jan 11, 2011 11:05:10 GMT -5
Will, FWIW, you're miles ahead of others much older than you with more disposable income. Just keep plugging at it, and you'll get it nailed dead center here before long. No impression is ever perfect, there is always something to work on. You've got a great, basic impression for starters in my very humble opinion, just keep at it like you have been.
Warren
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Post by cjdaley on Jan 11, 2011 11:08:09 GMT -5
Boys, Check your egos. I'm trying to boost the young man's confidence, not attack you, so stop with the e-mails/PMs, I'm not beating you up...I'm simply trying to let Will know he's doing a great job. I'm a 15 year old kid no income and dads been laidoff for two years my parents have never bought any of my ww2 stuff so I have bought everything. And you know what, you got an amazing impression for your age. I'd like to see pics of some of our other members at 15 to see how authentic they are. Great start Will as I know some adults who just can't get close to your level of authenticity!! I strive to be the best I can be. don't always achieve but I try.. So I have no problem people suggesting things. Great attitude and it takes alot of self confidence as a gentleman to post your pictures up here and allow the members to offer suggestions for improvement. We all strive to be the best, and I dare say we don't always achieve it. Good luck Will and I hope you can instill a love for history among your peers. |
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Post by dixieflyer on Jan 11, 2011 11:14:59 GMT -5
Sorry Chris, I thought you actually wanted to see pics of other's impressions at that age. Sorry I misread your post.
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Post by Boogiewoogie on Jan 11, 2011 11:48:50 GMT -5
I think he is getting the one over from the crowd.
The young man has done a good job for his age. I have dealt with quite a few his age, and he has put forth a good effort.
Martin
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Post by williegford on Jan 11, 2011 12:03:12 GMT -5
I don't think he is getting the once over from the crowd Martin. With the exception of a single poster who tried to turn one suggestion into a fight, the concensus has been that Will is doing a fine job and is well on his way. Keep plugging at Will. You're doing just fine.  Bill |
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Post by Boogiewoogie on Jan 11, 2011 12:08:38 GMT -5
I was talking about Chris and his mention of emails and pm's. You should see some of the things that I have recieved, as a moderator of this board.
Martin
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Post by m1guy on Jan 11, 2011 12:48:02 GMT -5
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Post by GyreneGreen on Jan 11, 2011 13:01:27 GMT -5
Gyrene, For you to make that comment you should apologize to EVERY member of this forum. "We're lazy/cheap/"? I'm sorry but, for ANYONE to do what we do, we fork out a LOT of time and money to enjoy time away from the drudge of reality and everyday work loads. To enjoy to teach and preserve in no matter what form it may be, a ceremony, a tactical or living history the memories of the "Greatest Generation." I've been to countless events and I DEAL with veterans organizations and they don't care about freaking LOCK -BARS! What those men care about is that you remember them, honor them and see to it that future generations don't for get what they did and that they feel safe knowing that what they did will be in good hands with those who are choosing to remember their sacrifice long after their gone. We will never be 100% authentic(and yep, that even includes you and me) because we don't have the weight of an entire nation on our shoulders and we don't have the bullets whizzing past our heads, and the nagging of death tugging at our elbows day-to-day. We're not stuck anywhere, when its over we get to go home, many of them didn't. Respectfully, FRISCAN Not to rehash this, but I think your post deserves a response. I won't be apologizing for being right, but you're welcome to wait 'til hell freezes over in the hopes I may change my mind. I stated fact. Lockbars, and to a lesser extent flush nuts, are the only correct rear sights for a WWII Garand. I did not say "GO FORTH AND BUY THEM! POST HASTE!". However, I did offer to help him find and install them if he was interested. By the way m1guy, that offer still stands if you ever want to get lockbars for your Dad's rifle or in a few years if you get your own. This hobby is all about finding what level of commitment or authenticity you want. Granted we will never attain 100% authenticity. In that case you can continually try to do as best as you can, or just say "Well we will never get back to 1944....hey pass me that Big Mac and that propane 1919". I think we'd all like to think we are the former, but the real test is actually practicing it. Believe it or not I interact with veterans too, and while they may not appreciate the level the of authenticity, it does not give you carte blanche to farb out in their name. |
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Post by 24thForward on Jan 11, 2011 15:31:11 GMT -5
Why is it only ever lockbars I hear about? Off the top of my head I can think of at least 4 or 5 other parts that M1 Garands commonly have that are wrong for WW2. ( I do think however that ever reenactor must strive to be 100% authentic no matter how small the detail.)
Also Will said he does not know what Lockbars are. Would anyone like to show him the three types of sights that you all have been talking about. Or just continue to keep him it the dark and thinking " what a bunch of nuts on this forum"
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Post by redjoshman on Jan 11, 2011 16:24:55 GMT -5
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