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Post by thenewguy232 on Dec 26, 2009 15:26:23 GMT -5
recentally got together THE START of my K/3/5 first marine division usmc immpression. my great uncle was actually a squad leader in K company during the peleliu and okinawa campagins. unforeutatally he was killed during the very last few weeks of fighting on okinawa. i was looking through letters between him and my grandfather and thought it would be a good idea to include one with the picture sof my immpresion. dear john, recieved your letter about 3 weeks ago but didnt have time to write. you know why i couldnt write. but now i got time and im making up for last time! im on peleliu if you dont know. ii was hard but i came through OK. Got a peice of shrapnel in my but* but im ok now. i didnt even go to the hospitial with it. im a battle scared veteran now. HAHA!I got a Jap* flag, some money, and some others things. will send them home when i get time. Going to send the flag to Louie. cant you see him showing it to everybody ha ha i sure can. he will have every kid in town at the house with it. will send the money and some sea shells to mom and with a few lines. i know she wants them. didnt have the time or room to grab anymore. well, i guess i had better close and write George Dawson. love brother john *those two words where blacked out bt censors for some reason. funny butt and jap where blacked but not peleliu  now for my immpression. here are a few "pre-invasion" with a felid jacket i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC065.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC063.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC072.jpgon the "island" i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC002.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC014.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC036.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC046.jpgthis is just the begining.. plan to add more detail later on. suggestions? thanks.. evan heeb |
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Post by GyreneGreen on Dec 26, 2009 16:45:31 GMT -5
Evan, Overall you have done an alright job but there are some big things you should correct. For your pre-Invason impression, I assume you are talking about Pavuvu where the 1stMarDiv was based prior to and after the Peleliu battle. Though the Marines would have had M1941 field jackets, they were not worn over utilities. Conditions were harsh on Pavuvu before the division left to fight at Peleliu, and the climate usually warm. Sadly, there were a large number of suicides among Marines of the 1stMarDiv on Pavuvu before Peleliu (for more on that read Brotherhood of Heroes by Bill Sloan). Most of the Marines in pictures I have are wearng utilities with no t-shirts, summer service uniforms, or completely shirtless, and even in one picture there is a Marine wearing a M1941 jacket with just a t-shirt underneath. For your "on the 'island'" impression, ditch the shelter half. From pictures I have seen almost all of the Marines landed without shelter halves and only carried a poncho. Also it would be a good touch to get atleast one USMC canteen cover, an M6 gas mask bag, and get an M2 jungle first aid pouch. I would turn the camouflage helmet cover to the brown-side out as well. Also 10 inch bayonets would have been the predominant style of bayonet. You need to get a pair of USMC P41 suspenders if you want to wear your pack in the way prescribed in the manual. The way you have it now is totally SNAFU'd. What I have seen in most pictures of Marines only using the haversack in combat is that they have rigged their packs up like a school bag, that is to say without using the suspenders as it is meant to be worn. This allows the pack to be dropped quickly without having to detach it from your cartridge belt and readjust your suspenders. Here is a link to some scans from 'The Pack' the manual on the M1941 pack. www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2406&st=0&start=0 |
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Post by thenewguy232 on Dec 26, 2009 16:56:58 GMT -5
alright.. thankyou. this is the first shot at this immpression. ill do some research and some work. thanks for the tips.
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Post by Pathfinder on Dec 26, 2009 20:35:25 GMT -5
D-I-R-T!
roll around and get some heavy duty sweat stains, but you are on your way!
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Post by Old Salt on Dec 27, 2009 9:30:05 GMT -5
W-H-Y?? He doesn't have to be filthy to be accurate!! He is on a good start and should let nature do it's work naturally on the wear & tear. |
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Post by GyreneGreen on Dec 27, 2009 9:55:21 GMT -5
Pathfinder, I understand what you are trying to say, and Old Salt is right that there should be a medium between fresh from At the Front and trashed beyond use. Another thing to consider is what sort of "dirt" is appropriate. For Peleliu it is most likely C-O-R-A-L D-U-S-T (sorry I couldn't resist). Peleliu is mostly coral ridges, and almost all of the vegetation was burnt away by the pre-landing bombardment (much to the horror of the Marine commanders who were somewhat shocked at the islands true topography [Peleliu 1944, Gailey]). Besides the marshlands on the Eastern edge of the island, true dirt or mud would have been pretty uncommon. While Evan should be a little dirtier, the type of dirt should be appropriate. I suggest crawling around on gravel, it roughs up the HBT and gives it a dusty coating. Just something to consider, but usually just wearing and washing them will take their sheen off. Don't go overboard with this stuff. After each campaign a Marine's gear was "surveyed" (replaced) if it was unserviceable. Unless a Marine opted to hold onto a piece of gear for sentimental reasons, like Sledge with his utility shirt, it was taken by the quartermaster. Here is a picture of me at an event I did last Spring, I was portraying a grenadier in B/1/6 on Saipan. I am dirty because Saipan had many sugar cane plantations and farms so dirt was appropriate. Would this work for an Iwo Jima impression? No. i98.photobucket.com/albums/l271/flyboy1592/MTT%202009/IMG_0055.jpg |
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Post by Pathfinder on Dec 27, 2009 12:47:32 GMT -5
i agree, not everyone is dirty some are replacements or newly issued gear.
either way newguy232, you look good and by you putting your self out there for us to evaluate, takes alot of guts. Keep it up!
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Post by pop401k on Dec 27, 2009 15:30:00 GMT -5
AND... don't forget... he said it was the beginning of his impression.
I'm sure he'll be in touch with his unit commanders to find out what all he needs to complete his impression. Looks to me like he's followed the guidelines for basic uniform/gear as specified by the China Marines.
Also, he didn't say his "before the island" picture was for Pavavu/Pelileu... it might be prior to Iwo Jima... I've seen lots of field jackets in Iwo pics. I think he looks damn good for a new guy!
If memory serves, they came ashore on Iwo with all the deuce gear they owned.
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Post by GyreneGreen on Dec 27, 2009 16:04:26 GMT -5
AND... don't forget... he said it was the beginning of his impression. I'm sure he'll be in touch with his unit commanders to find out what all he needs to complete his impression. Looks to me like he's followed the guidelines for basic uniform/gear as specified by the China Marines. Also, he didn't say his "before the island" picture was for Pavavu/Pelileu... it might be prior to Iwo Jima... I've seen lots of field jackets in Iwo pics. I think he looks damn good for a new guy! If memory serves, they came ashore on Iwo with all the deuce gear they owned. Pop, This is Evan's first sentence "recentally got together THE START of my K/3/5 first marine division usmc immpression"(Emphasis added). Seeing as he is doing a 1stMarDiv impression, any reference to Marines on Iwo is irrelevant because the 1stMarDiv wasn't there. Whether he was doing Peleliu or Okinawa hasn't been established. Maybe Evan should do so. My advice on what gear should be added or corrected still stands. There is very little variation between the two campaigns. Regardless, his "pre-landing" impression would be Pavuvu, the 1stMarDiv was based there before Peleliu and Okinawa. |
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Post by pop401k on Dec 27, 2009 18:26:55 GMT -5
AND... don't forget... he said it was the beginning of his impression. I'm sure he'll be in touch with his unit commanders to find out what all he needs to complete his impression. Looks to me like he's followed the guidelines for basic uniform/gear as specified by the China Marines. Also, he didn't say his "before the island" picture was for Pavavu/Pelileu... it might be prior to Iwo Jima... I've seen lots of field jackets in Iwo pics. I think he looks damn good for a new guy! If memory serves, they came ashore on Iwo with all the deuce gear they owned. Pop, This is Evan's first sentence "recentally got together THE START of my K/3/5 first marine division usmc immpression"(Emphasis added). Seeing as he is doing a 1stMarDiv impression, any reference to Marines on Iwo is irrelevant because the 1stMarDiv wasn't there. Whether he was doing Peleliu or Okinawa hasn't been established. Maybe Evan should do so. My advice on what gear should be added or corrected still stands. There is very little variation between the two campaigns. Regardless, his "pre-landing" impression would be Pavuvu, the 1stMarDiv was based there before Peleliu and Okinawa. So are you suggesting he won't be allowed to participate in any reenactments where the 1st Mar Div wasn't involved??? |
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Post by Old Salt on Dec 27, 2009 18:45:18 GMT -5
Let's keep this thread on track. If you want to discuss who can reenact where, start another thread in another section or discuss it by PM. Anything else off track below this will be cleaned out.
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Post by pop401k on Dec 27, 2009 19:25:06 GMT -5
Let's keep this thread on track. If you want to discuss who can reenact where, start another thread in another section or discuss it by PM. Anything else off track below this will be cleaned out. All I'm saying is this: every Marine was issued a poncho, shelter half, canteen etc., including a field jacket. So, the new kid is correct in his impression. Additionally, all Marines had better be clean and squared away when they debark: they'll get enough dirt on their stuff as the wear/use it. Shanghai out |
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Post by redjoshman on Dec 27, 2009 19:49:12 GMT -5
Let's keep this thread on track. If you want to discuss who can reenact where, start another thread in another section or discuss it by PM. Anything else off track below this will be cleaned out. All I'm saying is this: every Marine was issued a poncho, shelter half, canteen etc., including a field jacket. So, the new kid is correct in his impression. Additionally, all Marines had better be clean and squared away when they debark: they'll get enough dirt on their stuff as the wear/use it. Shanghai out First of all this is a 1st MARDIV Peleliu Impression so any other battle is pretty much irrelevant. For his pre-invasion impression wearing a field jacket, plus everything else would be incorrect as it just would not have been done Pavuvu as it was a horrible nasty humid tropical island. Sledge(you know a great primary source on K/3/5) doesn't mention putting anything heavier than an HBT top till Okinawa, and even then it wasn't till they were fairly close. Your comment about Iwo Jima was weird for two reasons: First: He is portraying the battle of Peleliu Second: The 1st MARDIV was never at Iwo Jima It would be like talking about Anzio when discussing a 1st Infantry Division D-Day Impression. Finally Gyrene Green was pointing out problems in his impression as it pertained to Peleliu and the 1st MARDIV as that(surprise, surprise) was what was being portrayed. If it was the 4th MARDIV on Iwo or the 2nd MARDIV on a Tarawa the advice would have been different as each impression would be different. Every Marine impression impression is different, sure the differences at times may be small but they are different. So basically yeah it would be wrong to use his Peleliu unchanged for an Iwo event as it would be wrong for me to use my Guadalcanal Impression unchanged for Okinawa or for someone to use his Market Garden Airborne Impression unchanged for 82nd Sicily. Evan, I think your impression is off to a good start and with Gyrene Greens advice you'll be doing even better. -Josh |
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Post by GyreneGreen on Dec 27, 2009 19:58:23 GMT -5
All I'm saying is this: every Marine was issued a poncho, shelter half, canteen etc., including a field jacket. So, the new kid is correct in his impression. Additionally, all Marines had better be clean and squared away when they debark: they'll get enough dirt on their stuff as the wear/use it. Shanghai out All I am saying is: just because a Marine was issued it doesn't mean he wore or carried it in combat. A Marine was also issued: an overcoat, winter service coat and trousers, field scarves, etc. etc. Simply saying because it was issued it is appropriate, is wrong. Having a correct impression necessitates doing unit/date specific research. This isn't a generic impression, it is a portrayal of a specific unit. |
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Post by sgttom on Dec 27, 2009 22:24:39 GMT -5
Hey even looks like your off to a good start. Follow GyreneGreen's advice and you'll be doing good. As far as dirt goes when you go to an event yea look dirty but if your just shooting photos to put on here and then the gear goes back in the closet getting dirty is not necessary, in my opinion at least.
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Post by devildoc87 on Apr 16, 2018 13:49:38 GMT -5
recentally got together THE START of my K/3/5 first marine division usmc immpression. my great uncle was actually a squad leader in K company during the peleliu and okinawa campagins. unforeutatally he was killed during the very last few weeks of fighting on okinawa. i was looking through letters between him and my grandfather and thought it would be a good idea to include one with the picture sof my immpresion. dear john, recieved your letter about 3 weeks ago but didnt have time to write. you know why i couldnt write. but now i got time and im making up for last time! im on peleliu if you dont know. ii was hard but i came through OK. Got a peice of shrapnel in my but* but im ok now. i didnt even go to the hospitial with it. im a battle scared veteran now. HAHA!I got a Jap* flag, some money, and some others things. will send them home when i get time. Going to send the flag to Louie. cant you see him showing it to everybody ha ha i sure can. he will have every kid in town at the house with it. will send the money and some sea shells to mom and with a few lines. i know she wants them. didnt have the time or room to grab anymore. well, i guess i had better close and write George Dawson. love brother john *those two words where blacked out bt censors for some reason. funny butt and jap where blacked but not peleliu now for my immpression. here are a few "pre-invasion" with a felid jacket i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC065.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC063.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC072.jpgon the "island" i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC002.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC014.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC036.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC046.jpgthis is just the begining.. plan to add more detail later on. suggestions? thanks.. evan heeb |
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Post by devildoc87 on Apr 16, 2018 13:50:17 GMT -5
recentally got together THE START of my K/3/5 first marine division usmc immpression. my great uncle was actually a squad leader in K company during the peleliu and okinawa campagins. unforeutatally he was killed during the very last few weeks of fighting on okinawa. i was looking through letters between him and my grandfather and thought it would be a good idea to include one with the picture sof my immpresion. dear john, recieved your letter about 3 weeks ago but didnt have time to write. you know why i couldnt write. but now i got time and im making up for last time! im on peleliu if you dont know. ii was hard but i came through OK. Got a peice of shrapnel in my but* but im ok now. i didnt even go to the hospitial with it. im a battle scared veteran now. HAHA!I got a Jap* flag, some money, and some others things. will send them home when i get time. Going to send the flag to Louie. cant you see him showing it to everybody ha ha i sure can. he will have every kid in town at the house with it. will send the money and some sea shells to mom and with a few lines. i know she wants them. didnt have the time or room to grab anymore. well, i guess i had better close and write George Dawson. love brother john *those two words where blacked out bt censors for some reason. funny butt and jap where blacked but not peleliu now for my immpression. here are a few "pre-invasion" with a felid jacket i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC065.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC063.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC072.jpgon the "island" i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC002.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC014.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC036.jpgi289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/ya1212/USMC046.jpgthis is just the begining.. plan to add more detail later on. suggestions? thanks.. evan heeb |
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Post by devildoc87 on Apr 16, 2018 14:08:33 GMT -5
Evan, You should contact me to collate info I have -- just for the record my wife Donna was Uncle John's oldest niece (and older than other cousins). Sgt. John P. Heeb was KIA 2 MAY 45 (we believe it was during some of the heaviest fighting in a draw near Naha)at least that was info gleaned from Uncle Bob's info and Sterling Mace's book (I was the one to find this pic which I sent to Cindy Bolte). My pfrimary email is rwinters1970@msn.com (the year I enlisted in the Corps), and my other (usually the easiest to use anymore) is 87devildoc@gmail.com (I was an FMF Corpsman in the Naval Reserve (Indianapolis Naval and Marine Armory)who thought he was enlisting for a Navy Sanitation and Health unit that went to Naples Italy for annual training. But as usual the "Flying Fickle Finger of Fate" caught up to me... 4MARDIV... I know your post is seven years old but we'll see if you still doing this.
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