506th PIR, D-Day

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506th PIR, D-Day Dec 17, 2008 23:06:04 GMT -5

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Post by redjoshman on Dec 17, 2008 23:06:04 GMT -5

Last Edit: Dec 18, 2008 18:54:49 GMT -5 by Old Salt

"I know in 10 years we will be bosom freinds with the Germans and the Japenese and then I'll be pretty annoyed that I was killed"
-Dean Martin in "Young Lions"

young 90th 1st Sgt. Gonna blow those fascists all to hell ! Posts: 743	506th PIR, D-Day Dec 17, 2008 23:09:21 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by young 90th on Dec 17, 2008 23:09:21 GMT -5 I know Josh, trust me it IS because he is a narcissist. Josh as always you look top notch. the Garand looks great!! And I love you have my letter under "charles repro" Lil Beav
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506th PIR, D-Day Dec 17, 2008 23:23:10 GMT -5

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Post by GyreneGreen on Dec 17, 2008 23:23:10 GMT -5

Josh,

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That style of rubberized gas mask bag is not correct for WWII. To my knowledge the three LTD rubberized bag did not see any combat in WWII.

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506th PIR, D-Day Dec 17, 2008 23:31:55 GMT -5

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Post by S/Sgt.Noble30thID on Dec 17, 2008 23:31:55 GMT -5

Baseball glove in the musette?? No offense, but that is sort of useless. Takes up a lot of room that could be used for more important stuff. Also, that is what they had the Special Service for..baseball equipment, checkers, horse shoes, etc etc..

By the way, that isn't an assault gas mask bag...if it was, it would say Army Assault Gas Mask (and have 4 snaps). You have a Army Combat Service Gas Mask (bag) with 3 Lift-the-Dots.

Please see the pictures below that you linked us to, in reference to the gas mask bag.

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Last Edit: Dec 17, 2008 23:43:36 GMT -5 by S/Sgt.Noble30thID

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young 90th 1st Sgt. Gonna blow those fascists all to hell ! Posts: 743	506th PIR, D-Day Dec 17, 2008 23:45:23 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by young 90th on Dec 17, 2008 23:45:23 GMT -5 Charlie , You see Josh plans ahead. web.me.com/tcm28/site/Dark_Room_/Pages/Ikes_Farm.html#11 Lil beav
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506th PIR, D-Day Dec 17, 2008 23:54:46 GMT -5

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Post by Neidy on Dec 17, 2008 23:54:46 GMT -5

I don't know junk about airborne, but I do know about firing positions.

In your 5th picture posted you are kneeling wrong. Your right knee should be touching the ground with your left leg propped up, supporting your left arm. That's all I have to add but I find that you can get the uniform 100% right, but if your mannerisms are off then your impression is off.

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506th PIR, D-Day Dec 18, 2008 0:02:01 GMT -5

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Post by S/Sgt.Noble30thID on Dec 18, 2008 0:02:01 GMT -5

Dec 17, 2008 23:45:23 GMT -5 young 90th said:

Charlie ,
You see Josh plans ahead.
web.me.com/tcm28/site/Dark_Room_/Pages/Ikes_Farm.html#11
Lil beav

That is neither 6/6/1944, outside of Ste. Mere Eglise, or F Co. 506 PIR.

While they may be nice for "behind the lines", Operation Overlord, especally for a paratrooper, had undefined lines for the first little while.

Charlie

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" Napoleon

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506th PIR, D-Day Dec 18, 2008 0:03:01 GMT -5

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Post by cameronj on Dec 18, 2008 0:03:01 GMT -5

-Josh, I see the leg ties you're using are of the OD canvas material, primarily seen within the 82nd Airborne, similar to that of the knee reinforcements of the m42 trousers. More similar to OD tent material than anything. In my experience, and from what I have seen, the 101st more commonly wore the khaki leg ties, and linked below are pictures from your originals, of troopers wearing the khaki leg ties. Also, is a picture of an original pair of m42 trousers, worn by a member for the 506th, as seen on Mark Bando's web site, and I quote him in saying the following. ""They also applied knee patches of the same material, and attached tie down tapes of 3/4" khaki web material to the inseam of each thigh." I think it is safe to assume, khaki leg ties are far more common in the 101st, than the more 82nd seen OD.

i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn24/redjoshman/Original%20Photos/Army/Paratroopers/506th%20PIR/D-DAY/sc0001d799.jpg

www.101airborneww2.com/ReinfM42T.jpg

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Visible with the middle trooper^

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Look at the trooper on the left.

Now, if you're sick of mediocre Airborne impressions, tweak your own to perfection before throwing some mean words around, and potentially insulting some others.

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506th PIR, D-Day Dec 18, 2008 0:21:22 GMT -5

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Post by redjoshman on Dec 18, 2008 0:21:22 GMT -5

Trousers though there are more guys in 101 with than the khaki than the reinforcing material. There are original uniforms of both examples in from both divisions.Lt. Bernstein B co. 505th had "101st style" leg ties while while both Capt. Simmons and T/5 Zakia have "82nd style: leg ties, I will post photos of those hopefully by Friday. There are several other photos of the 101st gearing up on D-Day I have with "82nd style" leg ties Such as the photos of Lt. Colonel Wolverton, which he has "82nd style" ties(I know so far I have been stating officers but I recall seeing other enlisted men wearing them in the photos I have in my collection).

Now the question begs why did I use "82nd style" leg ties instead of "101st"? The reason is because I usually do 82nd Abn not 101st. So getting a new pair of pants/sewing resewing current pants was somewhat not an option. The point was to help out people who were doing 506th PIR ovoid some common mistakes and get an idea on how to wear the gear accurately. Ironically I screwed up on a rookie mistake.

The firing positions Yep mistake of mine. Yes I do fire my weapons. Why the mistake then? I guess it was a combination of being tired and doing this very quickly(whole photo shoot was less than 15 minutes and needing to get it over before I went to my moms). Like my other mistakes, their is no good excuse and I apologize my making such mistakes.

-Josh

Last Edit: Dec 18, 2008 0:30:11 GMT -5 by redjoshman

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-Dean Martin in "Young Lions"

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506th PIR, D-Day Dec 18, 2008 0:25:58 GMT -5

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Post by cameronj on Dec 18, 2008 0:25:58 GMT -5

Common mistakes, such as wearing uncommon leg ties? I'm not starting an argument, just voicing my opinion. I think you do a lot of research, and you plan your kits out. They're almost always outstanding, just trying to guide you here with what knowledge I know, and what I'm seeing. You just stated individual cases of ranking officers, and one enlisted man, all the while you're trying to portray the normalcy of a paratrooper rifleman. I've had friends purchase jump suits for SINGLE events, it's all about authenticity, you know that, your kits prove it.

Last Edit: Dec 18, 2008 0:35:32 GMT -5 by cameronj

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506th PIR, D-Day Dec 18, 2008 0:38:14 GMT -5

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Post by redjoshman on Dec 18, 2008 0:38:14 GMT -5

Jonesy understand your not trying to argue, I'm not trying to either. What I was referring to in common mistakes is, wearing first aid pouch on helmet(for Normandy, seen 1 pic of it and it is not in the commonly accepted manner and the pic concerns a member 327th Glider infantry) , Wearing 30 pockets attached to jump jacket(note most original photos were taken by Cpl. Guth E. co 506th so some of the guys are reoccurring, so that guy you see with the pockets in 4+ photos is him), belt too loose, empty bags/pockets, etc.

Also I have altered parts of the second post to more clearly convey what I was trying to state.

-Josh

"I know in 10 years we will be bosom freinds with the Germans and the Japenese and then I'll be pretty annoyed that I was killed"
-Dean Martin in "Young Lions"

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506th PIR, D-Day Dec 19, 2008 23:11:41 GMT -5

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Post by m1steelpot on Dec 19, 2008 23:11:41 GMT -5

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Of interesting note in this photo set, is the 1st German on the left. (The one in the M43 Cap)

Suprisingly, he's not even wearing a "German Made" tunic, but rather a CONVERTED DUTCH TUNIC! (see below) For some reason, I find this awesome.

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Last Edit: Dec 19, 2008 23:17:05 GMT -5 by cameronj

cameronj Guest	506th PIR, D-Day Dec 31, 2008 14:17:51 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by cameronj on Dec 31, 2008 14:17:51 GMT -5 Paul, although interesting, completely irrelevant.

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506th PIR, D-Day Dec 31, 2008 18:21:46 GMT -5

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Post by Buggnkat on Dec 31, 2008 18:21:46 GMT -5

Ok on leg ties the "common" ties for the 101st and more specifically 506th would have been either an off white cotton style or the khaki color.

This comes directly from some of the riggers assigned to the 506th. Back many moons ago we researched this to the point of nausea. Terry Gatlin (anyone whos been doing 101st for more than 7 years will know him) had a collection of 101 jumpsuits that any museum would kill for and several named. His suits had both ties. I liken the white ones to the same weight as egineer tape. They all look like they were dyed to darken them up similar to the way they dyed the harnasses on the T-5 rigs.

ANother difference is how they were fastened to the trousers. The 101 were mostly sewn to the INSIDE of the trouser leg, while the 82nd were sewn to the outside. Meaning the seam was split and the ties folded then sewn to the trousers then the seam closed around the tie. The 82nd were usually sewn directly to the seam of the outside of the trouser.

Mark Bando's website has alot about the leg tie issue and there are probably alot here too if you search for it.

As for shooting positions, I have shot weapons from almost every possible position one could, both in the military and out (I am a huge hunting nut), and although I do default to taught positions (habit after 23 years) I can say that I have shot off handed more times than not. Engaging targets especially when surprised can lead to some pretty insane stances and positions trust me.

Josh overall your impression looks good. Keep improving but I wouldnt use Forrest Guth as an example of what any average trooper looked like! I met the guy and he still is a character and non-conformist. But a lot of fun at a party. Further more, paratroopers are never standard! We are the most out of reg soldier you could find and it doesnt matter which side you fought or fight on.

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Post by young 90th on Dec 17, 2008 23:45:23 GMT -5

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Post by S/Sgt.Noble30thID on Dec 18, 2008 0:02:01 GMT -5

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Post by Buggnkat on Dec 31, 2008 18:21:46 GMT -5