oldmp
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Sept 3, 2008 20:51:29 GMT -5
Post by oldmp on Sept 3, 2008 20:51:29 GMT -5
As part of my Airborne impression I am trying to get in better shape then I am at the moment. I would like to use Airborne guidelines as an example. Does anyone have any links or could recommend an exercise routine? I would not recommend the PT regimen used by the period paratroopers in training. Wearing combat boots and engaging in high impact exercises will tear you up quick. As with any physical exercise program I would have to ask what kind of shape are you in now. Can you run at two miles in 16 minutes, do 50 push ups in 2 minutes and do several pull ups? The bottom line is that if your trying to stay in shape and look the part in uniform then you will be ok. I have seen plenty of "heavy drop" wannabe paratroopers over the years and as a former paratrooper myself don't think that they are doing any veteran honors by presenting themselves that way. There is an old saying in the Airborne. "If you wanna be Airborne, you gotta be thin!" Mike
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Sept 4, 2008 9:08:23 GMT -5
Post by scratch monkey on Sept 4, 2008 9:08:23 GMT -5
I've know people who had luck with this workout. www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtmlIf you can get yourself to the point that running a 5k doesn't destroy you you're probably in decent enough shape to pull off a paratrooper impression.
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excoastie
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Sept 4, 2008 14:33:35 GMT -5
Post by excoastie on Sept 4, 2008 14:33:35 GMT -5
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I have seen plenty of "heavy drop" wannabe paratroopers over the years and as a former paratrooper myself don't think that they are doing any veteran honors by presenting themselves that way. There is an old saying in the Airborne. "If you wanna be Airborne, you gotta be thin!"
Mike[/quote]
That was funny!!! ;D
But sadly, very true. I'm not exactly thin, but I know of several reenactors that need to push away from the table early or switch to Diet Coke. Most of these do Airborne, too.....
Ogre
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Sept 4, 2008 15:14:15 GMT -5
Post by Capt. EMO on Sept 4, 2008 15:14:15 GMT -5
try and find the PT standards for Paratroopers back in WW2. if you can find that just look up the modern standards, then just try to work to that. also dont run in your jump boots unless you have a lot of experience with running. I'm a cross country runner and i took my ammo boots out for a short run (less then 3 miles) by the time i was done my feet were very badly cut up and the boots were soaked in blood not a fun time. Cheers! Chase
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Sept 4, 2008 17:16:53 GMT -5
Post by Weigman on Sept 4, 2008 17:16:53 GMT -5
I wouldnt say that im horribly over weight but i would like to slim down.
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gliderridercheese
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Sept 4, 2008 22:07:57 GMT -5
Post by gliderridercheese on Sept 4, 2008 22:07:57 GMT -5
One workout I have had luck with is running one mile and a half, I can usually do that in under 9 Minutes. Then cooling off for a few minutes, then I ride a stationary excercise bike for one hour. I do that workout at least 6 days a week when I do not have a reenactment event on the weekend. It has kept my weight off and I have been doing this workout since April. Unfortunatley as much as I try at running, I was not born to run and I do not have a runners build. I just push myself to run as fast as I can and listen to the right tunes to do it I want to become a Fire Fighter someday and part of the test is running one mile and a half in under 13 minutes, that is why I stress myself over the time part so hard. But if you are thin enough and can take the running, like the other guys said on here, run, run, and run some more!!! Just be sure to get the right shoes too. But when I get a new treadmill I will go back to my old workout of running at 5 1/2 miles per hour for 50 minutes. I burnt the motor on the last treadmill I had Good luck, Breck
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william03
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Sept 4, 2008 23:21:01 GMT -5
Post by william03 on Sept 4, 2008 23:21:01 GMT -5
If you can find a copy FM 21-20 is a good source, I don't know where you can find it online. But it is the field manual for Physical training, and is more calestenics and streching than anything else
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HQ327
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Sept 5, 2008 20:00:37 GMT -5
Post by HQ327 on Sept 5, 2008 20:00:37 GMT -5
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Neidy
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Sept 7, 2008 19:05:10 GMT -5
Post by Neidy on Sept 7, 2008 19:05:10 GMT -5
To lose weight you should be doing things like running and biking - things that get the heart rate up. If you're in shape but you want to build muscle then you should be doing things like lifting weights, push ups, sprinting, etc.
Of course, diet plays a huge factor in this. Getting rid of preservatives in your diet helps out A LOT. That means no more sodium benzoate and similar things. Along with that goes soda and snacky cakes (twinkies, ho-hos, etc) obviously.
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Barrelhunter
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Sept 8, 2008 6:49:28 GMT -5
Post by Barrelhunter on Sept 8, 2008 6:49:28 GMT -5
Gulp, I'm going to disagree with Mike for a serious reason. WWII jump boots came in 120 sizes where our reproduction vendors only make them in 10 to 16 size differences. Keep in mind the 120 sizes included whole and half sizes as well as different widths. I wear a 10 1/2 C boot myself and wouldn't trust our vendors repro boots with my feet for off duty PT. I appreciate the size offerings are a direct reflection of what the market will bear.
With that said, a trick we'd use for PT was to wear a pair of nylon dress socks under the issued wool boot socks. Also strategically placed moleskin helps wonders. With the exception of silk socks being more period correct, both methods are tried and true. Putting petroleum jelly on friction points of your feet and ankles also helps.
We have to appreciate our ancestors feet were better prepared for the riggers of PT as they were used to piss poor footwear. They'd climb into a pair of tailored boots that fit like gloves and their already calloused feet and ankles could better take the punishment compared to our pampered tootsies.
I’d also consider their diet consisted of three 3,000-calorie meals a day to handle the necessities of the training regimen. Keep your potassium, vitamins D, B and C up as well as calcium. There's nothing worse then low calcium and shin splints to have you quitting the training. If you use a low calorie diet while exercising you aren’t building muscle mass or repairing tendons and ligaments at the same time your turning the fat to energy. It’ll gimp you to the point of a piss poor exercise routine and that will make you fat and lame. So grab the bananas, locally produced honey for local allergy protection, oranges, and yogurt to better digest all your food.
Jim
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Sept 9, 2008 15:32:40 GMT -5
Post by twhigham on Sept 9, 2008 15:32:40 GMT -5
DO: Go for the 5k training plan for beginners at http://www.halhigdon.com; add 3 sets of 15 pushups to the beginning of every run/walk/run session.
DO: Use modern training methods and clothing suitable for the climate. Wear functional clothing.
DO: Drink plenty of fluids when you exercise.
DO: Read the nutrition labels on food boxes. Cut out high-fat foods and high-sodium box dinners.
DO: Use modern exercise methods, such as Bosu balls, free weights, stairmasters, spinning, and Pilates.
DO: Exercise 4 to 5 times a week, even if its just a 30 minute walk around the neighborhood. Set a schedule ahead of time and stick to it.
DO: Eat after exercising.
DON'T Don't try to exercise in period clothing.
DON'T Don't try to climb Mount Currahee in full combat gear. Winters never did it, so there's no reason for you to try.
DON'T Don't try a WW2 exercise regimen that specifies high-impact jumping or high-speed overstretching of joints (deep knee bends, for example, just tear up your knees with no appreciable gain in fitness).
DON'T Don't overtrain.
DON'T Don't go on a hike without drinking, unless you really enjoy cramps.
DON'T Don't eat a big meal before running, but do drink a light fruit juice or energy drink.
DON'T Don't eat fried food on an exercise day. Save it for your "rest day" and you'll appreciate it more.
REPLACE Replace a Big Mac with one plain hamburger. If you're still hungry after the first burger, get back in line and order a 2nd plain hamburger. You'll find that the 2nd burger isn't worth the inconvenience. Keep a Clif Bar in your car if you get hungry later. Or, replace all burgers for a month with my favorite - the turkey club from Subway, on wheat, with baby spinach and light honey mustard. If you can go a month without a burger, you're on your way to a healthy lifestyle. If you absolutely have to have a burger, get it plain and without the fries.
REPLACE Replace beer with soda.
REPLACE Replace soda with water and a lemon slice.
REPLACE Replace ice cream with smoothies (I recommend banana strawberry).
Inside tip: New recruits going through boot camp are fed a controlled diet that includes MRE's with the desserts removed. If you want the boot camp experience, go a month without processed sugar.
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Sept 9, 2008 19:27:08 GMT -5
Post by Weigman on Sept 9, 2008 19:27:08 GMT -5
It is interesting how you said switch to turkey. I have been using ground turkey in everything that calls for ground beef. Since starting i am down 15 pounds. I cut out all soda and drink mostly water and Juice. At work I used to take the elevator now I use the stairs. I know it isnt much but all together it seems to be working.
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Dave
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Sept 10, 2008 19:49:49 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Sept 10, 2008 19:49:49 GMT -5
Every little bit helps, which is what I've noticed. I've dropped 20 pounds from the beginning of the summer just watching what you eat and running a few miles every day. It really helps.
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Sept 10, 2008 22:17:32 GMT -5
Post by constance on Sept 10, 2008 22:17:32 GMT -5
Don't forget to lift. Lifting is pretty great for getting "XXXTREEM RIPPED LATS!!!!!" but it is also pretty great for body fat loss. Your body needs more energy to maintain muscle so your base metabolism changes - you will burn more calories sitting on your duff when you have some muscle mass going on. Lifting need not be intimidating. Just like with Couch-to-5K, there's a beginner's lifting plan: newbie-fitness.blogspot.com/2007/01/stripped-5x5.htmlOn my first day, I benched 70 pounds.... That's a clinically overweight girl that hasn't lifted weights for real in her life overcoming a life-altering back injury benching 70 pounds. Now if only I could do a pull up!! EDIT: Also, don't use machines when you do weight training. They won't build up the core muscles you need for stability. When you're using free weights, just about every part of your body is getting worked out with every movement. My abs will burn when doing a shoulder exercise. My back tenses up as I try to do pull ups (the one thing I have to use a machine on). It's an amazing work out. My heart beats fast and I get all sweaty. Who needs the stairmaster?!
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Sept 11, 2008 8:36:26 GMT -5
Post by scratch monkey on Sept 11, 2008 8:36:26 GMT -5
REPLACE Replace beer with soda. REPLACE Replace soda with water and a lemon slice. Better yet, stop drinking soda all together. If you're thirsty, drink water. Right. If you want to cut anything out of your diet make it sugar. You need very little of it compared to other things. Sugar, especially in the form of High Fructose Corn Syrup, is truly diet poison.
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Sept 11, 2008 14:37:29 GMT -5
Post by Weigman on Sept 11, 2008 14:37:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the advise everyone
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Barrelhunter
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Sept 11, 2008 16:28:20 GMT -5
Post by Barrelhunter on Sept 11, 2008 16:28:20 GMT -5
I suggest replacing cane sugar with local bees’ honey. You still get the sugar rush but also it builds the immune system to what is in your area.
I also like the use of red meat if you have an athletic regiment. Humans are not the other white meat and we need the B vitamins found in red meat to combat fatigue.
Also, sea salt isn't. Table salt coming out of mines in Cleveland is from a natural seabed and with out the added iodine you are going to get a goiter. If you want proof go to an old folks home in a kosher community.
Jim
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