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Post by TC1c Dunigan on Mar 10, 2011 12:54:20 GMT -5
I really do like the use of a bedroll like you and shawn are employing. But I simply cannot agree with your assertion that no soldiers in the 121 IR used their '28 pack. Bill Bill, I used my own judgement because we have two types of bayonets manufactured or cut down in at least three different ways. So, either way with them your going to have one of them(especially in combat). Now we may not see them in the photograph directly but, the bayonet is there. However, with a 28' pack there is one style, they were using them this we know all soldiers did. However, in the field we don't see them. Now we have these in a town where they had the time to go to the rear and get them. These guys in the photo are most likely looking to get paid, take a shower, get a hot meal...etc... (*note the jeep markings this is the Divisional HQ) So, as to the assertion.. there really is no assertion at all. The bayonets may not be seen but, either way we know their there. However, in the same photos the haversack is not there in the field photos the bed roll is. Regards, FRISCAN |
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Post by GyreneGreen on Mar 10, 2011 13:04:01 GMT -5
I used my own judgement because we have two types of bayonets manufactured or cut down in at least three different ways. So, either way with them your going to have one of them(especially in combat). Now we may not see them in the photograph directly but, the bayonet is there. .. So, as to the assertion.. there really is no assertion at all. The bayonets may not be seen but, either way we know their there. Regards, FRISCAN Please re-read your last thread. We have nothing besides conjecture to support "their [sic] there". We can prove by photographs that M1 bayonets and spear point 1905e1s were there. Beak points- not at this point (still waiting on that 3rd ID picture in Rome though). The "especially in combat" doesn't make their issuance or use any more likely absent any other evidence. I am not concerned with arguing this anymore, but apparently there was a lack of clarity in my last posts. |
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Post by Boogiewoogie on Mar 10, 2011 13:35:06 GMT -5
What photos do you have of cut downs? I have one that is easily identifiable. There have been several that I have seen, claiming to be of European battlefield orgin. They are all spear tip though.
Martin
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Post by williegford on Mar 10, 2011 13:35:11 GMT -5
I really do like the use of a bedroll like you and shawn are employing. But I simply cannot agree with your assertion that no soldiers in the 121 IR used their '28 pack. Bill Bill, However, with a 28' pack there is one style, they were using them this we know all soldiers did. However, in the field we don't see them. Now we have these in a town where they had the time to go to the rear and get them. These guys in the photo are most likely looking to get paid, take a shower, get a hot meal...etc... (*note the jeep markings this is the Divisional HQ) Regards, FRISCAN So you contend they would leave their packs in the rear but take a bedroll, which is at least as cumbersome, into the field. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I've seen way too much film footage of infantrymen, from various division in the ETO, on the attack who are carrying their '28 packs to beleive the 8th ID was in some way different. Bill |
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Post by GyreneGreen on Mar 10, 2011 14:12:23 GMT -5
Here are my two: The first is a still from a film reel that claimed to be of Army troops on Kwajalein. i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx57/thk25/CutdownBayonet.jpgThe second is of a GI in Normandy. Edit original caption:" Private Roland Bonnell, left, Cleveland, Ohio, and Sergeant James Devine, right, New York City, New York, both members of an engineer unit now fighting in France, take time out to comfort a little French girl as U.S. troops force ahead in France. Colleville, France. 13 June 1944." i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx57/thk25/CutdownBayonetB.jpg |
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Post by Boogiewoogie on Mar 10, 2011 14:53:03 GMT -5
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Post by 24thForward on Mar 10, 2011 17:52:43 GMT -5
Shouldn't you have posted the photos's of cut downs in Jim's thread, rather than Shawn's?
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Post by GyreneGreen on Mar 10, 2011 18:12:12 GMT -5
It's locked.
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Post by riggo66 on Mar 10, 2011 20:09:35 GMT -5
Check out the farby goatee on the engineer...lol...crazy the mix of uni's and etc. you see in pics. Here are my two: The first is a still from a film reel that claimed to be of Army troops on Kwajalein. i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx57/thk25/CutdownBayonet.jpgThe second is of a GI in Normandy. Edit original caption:" Private Roland Bonnell, left, Cleveland, Ohio, and Sergeant James Devine, right, New York City, New York, both members of an engineer unit now fighting in France, take time out to comfort a little French girl as U.S. troops force ahead in France. Colleville, France. 13 June 1944." i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx57/thk25/CutdownBayonetB.jpg |
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Post by Old Salt on Mar 11, 2011 10:46:52 GMT -5
Guys if you want to discuss bayonets start it in the weapons section and keep it civil. Let's keep this thread on the original subject. Any further discussions about bayonets that are not relevant to the original intent of the thread will be deleted. This is the only warning anyone will get on this.
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Post by UPNATM on Mar 13, 2011 18:45:18 GMT -5
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Post by TC1c Dunigan on Mar 13, 2011 20:49:00 GMT -5
I dug through that website and pulled up every film on the 8th ID and the Hurtgen action in general. We've been delving into those as well as the photos.  Thanks for posting it up... thats one of my favorites of the five or so I found.  Regards, FRISCAN |
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Post by bargunner1942 on Oct 13, 2011 7:52:42 GMT -5
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Post by GyreneGreen on Oct 13, 2011 7:59:59 GMT -5
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Post by ericbruce25 on Oct 13, 2011 11:39:05 GMT -5
. The 28 pack sucks. If I was around back then I would have tossed it for a bedroll or sewn some extra pockets in my coat. I hate that thing.
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Post by mburch66 on Oct 13, 2011 14:32:47 GMT -5
Man, that sure looks like a 1917 bayonet to me. But it also sure looks like it is stuffed on a Garand.  |
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Post by cco23i on Oct 13, 2011 16:15:19 GMT -5
. The 28 pack sucks. If I was around back then I would have tossed it for a bedroll or sewn some extra pockets in my coat. I hate that thing. You get use to them PLUS they do have advantages. Scott |
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Post by williegford on Oct 14, 2011 9:52:41 GMT -5
You do get used to the 28 pack and it's not so bad once you do. The GI of WWII didn't have the advantage of hindsight, being able to say "this thing sucks compared to today packs". It's what they were issued and that was that. They lived with it. I'm not saying GI's didn't improvise (use a gas mask bag to carry extra stuff, carry things in their bedroll, etc) but the '28 haversack was the standard pack issued to enlisted infantryman in WWII and that's what they used.
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